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Patrick Grattan: Opening the Conference
- “The employment trends for people over
50 are a good story in all sorts of ways – having gone up
from an employment rate of 64% in 1994 to 70% this year. But there
is still an 11% gap with the employment rate of 25-49 year olds.”
- “There are good sides and bad sides to
the present situation. On the one hand there is the positive experience
where (older) people have choice in terms of work, have adequate
savings, variety, participate in learning, have – generally
speaking – good health and a sense of well-being.”
- “But there is the other side, the negative
experience of people having to work out of necessity, with no
choice or variety, who have inadequate, or no, savings, have poor
health and do not engage in learning."
- "This polarisation increases with
age.”
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"There are 5
broad themes to today’s conference we’ll be exploring
with some of our guest speakers:
- The quality of work available to older workers
and the sort of work they’re looking for. How we ensure
opportunities and job satisfaction, rather than older workers
being seen as a source of cheap labour ? (John
Philpott – CIPD).
- Employability……how we can develop
and sustain it , whether people are in or out of work ? The importance
of access to training and the role of advice & guidance throughout
adult working life. (Dr Wendy Hirsh –
Institute of Employment Studies, Brighton; Bob Lyall - BMW and
Gareth Dent – learnDirect)
- Health is an increasingly important theme
in extending working lives.(Prof Jill Manthorpe
– Kings College, London)
- The barriers to working longer and the age
legislation in helping to address those barriers. (Gaby
Charing – the Law Society; Mike Palmer – HSBC; Charles
Fuller – DTI)
- The savings and pensions theme.(Alan
Pickering – Watson Wyatt) "
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Margaret Hodge:
Speaking about the Government's employment policies and record
- “The employment statistics are very optimistic.
If you look at the statistics its difficult to understand why
people are gloomy. The growth in employment over the past 8 years
has been consistent. "
- "We now have the best employment rate,
and the second lowest unemployment rate amongst the G8 countries."
- "We have got rid of the scourge of youth
unemployment, we have really got a very firm control on long-term
unemployment and this enables us to now look at all those groups
who have been traditionally excluded from employment."
- "….the implications of our
aspirational 80% employment rate mean getting 1 million more older
workers into work, 1 million people off Incapacity benefit and
300,000 lone parents into work.”
- "What we need to do as a Government is
to provide better opportunities for training older workers and
better opportunities and possibilities for working longer."
- "Individuals need to take greater
responsibility both in regard to work and in planning their own
future retirement.”
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| Rt Hon Margaret Hodge, Minister
of State for Work, DWP |
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| Sandy Wilson, Head
of HR Policy & Reward, Norwich Union Life (the sponsors
of our conference)
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Sandy Wilson:
- “ Norwich Union has identified that a
deeper understanding of people’s attitudes to working longer
is required if they are to be convinced that a longer working
life is an acceptable response to the rise in life expectancy."
- "‘Personal choice’ was identified
as one of the major factors in the decision when to retire –
and this influence must be included in any debate around finding
ways to both encourage and enable the public to extend their working
life.”
- "……The retirement age
debate within the financial services industry must look beyond
whether the State Pension age should be increased, it must find
ways to make people feel they they have the choice to extend their
working life on their terms.”
- "Employers can make a difference
in encouraging people to work longer. Measures include trying
to remove barriers, whether they are perceived or real, by making
people want to stay in employment longer because they still gain
job satisfaction and by promoting a culture within the company
that embraces and values the knowledge and expertise of older
workers."
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Panel discussion on the Draft Age
Regulations:
- “The legislation will have a massive
symbolic effect.”
- “The regulations are complicated. And
the consequence of the policy decision on the introduction of
the Default Retirement Age just complicates the whole issue. It
has given rise to the ‘right to request’ to work on
past retirement, which we believe and have said, is ‘ill
thought out’."
- "In practice an employer won’t be
able to say ‘yes’ across the board (to such requests)
and won’t be able to say ‘no’ across the board
either, because each request has to be considered in ‘good
faith’…. It will leave them open to possible employment
tribunal claims from those they turn down.” (Gaby
Charing)
- “I’d be surprised if as many as
1 in 5 employers have begun to prepare (for the age regulations),
I believe that’s probably an optimistic picture….I’ve
been saying all along that employers need 2 years to prepare because
the regulations will effect nearly every HR policy and procedure
a company may have.”
- "With less than a year until the legislation
comes into effect, my advice is that companies can’t afford
to wait to begin their preparations.”
- “My view is that the Default Retirement
Age will go in 2011 when the regulations are reviewed.”
(Mike Palmer)
- “Some say that when it comes to the
proposed age legislation the glass is half full, some say its
half empty. My view is its just about right.”
- “We’re looking in the (Coming
of Age) consultation for answers to 3 main questions: do they
(the draft regulations) cause any practical difficulties ? How
clear are the explanations ? And for comments on the clarity of
the regulations.” (Charles Fuller)
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| Mike Palmer (HSBC),
Charles Fuller (Age Legislation Team, DTI), Gaby
Charing (The Law Society)
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| Alan Pickering, Partner
Watson Wyatt (Savings & Pensions Expert)
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Alan Pickering:
Speaking on Longer Working Lives and Saving
for Retirement
- “We’re living longer – never
has such a good news story got such bad press.”
- “You can’t modernise the pension
system in Britain without modernising the world of work.”
- “We cannot save our way through the demographic
challenges.”
- “ What society needs is access to lifetime
learning because that gives access to lifetime earning.”
- “An older worker needs a job –
not a pension.”
- “Its silly that we build a state
pension system built on date of birth rather than the expected
date of death.”
- “Working longer does not necessarily
mean working longer in the same job or at the same level of intensity.
None of us are one-dimensional. Provided we have continued access
to learning, there is no reason why new earning opportunities
will not become available later in life.”
- “As we get older we should have
the opportunity to mix and match work and retirement, pay and
pension. Hitherto, the pension system itself has mitigated against
this benign parallel existence. But things are changing. The pension
system can be the solution, not the problem.”
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| John
Philpott
Chief Economist, Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development
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Professor Jill Manthorpe
Kings College, London and Co-Director of Social Care Workforce Research
Unit |
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Bob Lyall
The BMW Group and The Automobile Academy |
Dr Wendy Hirsh
Institute for Employment Studies, Brighton |
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Gareth Dent
Head of Advice, learndirect |
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Conference Sponsor 2005
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